Why no reason believe MACO does not existed in DS9 and TNG

[359]

The tircorder often scaner device that can removed smell enough stick into barral rifle itself as way checking if transporter was used.

Transporter traces fade over time. Also I got the impression from the scene that they never got around to actually checking his rifle as they had proven he couldn't have done it in the first place. Generally one checks things like if the person could have done it before one starts going through their stuff.

[Lucky]

The tircorder often scaner device that can removed smell enough stick into barral rifle itself as way checking if transporter was used.

Why would they bother to waste their time investigating a person who they know can't be the killer?

We don't know how long evidence of transports lasts, or if there are ways to hide it.

[Jasonb]

The tircorder often scaner device that can removed smell enough stick into barral rifle itself as way checking if transporter was used.

Why would they bother to waste their time investigating a person who they know can't be the killer?

We don't know how long evidence of transports lasts, or if there are ways to hide it.

Ok he could not have commit first murder but what about second one . Sisko only said that he off the station during the first murder. It is possible he did second murders Sisko rule out little to quickly and reckless we know Sisko smarter do something like that or good cover up story excuses let him had classified information rule him out.

At least DS9 Inquisition never suggestion someone cover it up. DS9 personal no reason doubt section 31 able to do it. As for transporter trance even if what saying is true and that check transporter trace something beam in or out no longer able pick all. Still be evidence fact rifle fire bullet go thought brawl easily task pick. bullet some amount movement effect inside rifle something easily check out. heat changes the fact made smell dents other piece evidence inside. rifle need clean way reason separation scaner part tirocrder should quick way find out trainspotter was used or not.

[Lucky]

The tircorder often scaner device that can removed smell enough stick into barral rifle itself as way checking if transporter was used.

Why would they bother to waste their time investigating a person who they know can't be the killer?

We don't know how long evidence of transports lasts, or if there are ways to hide it.

Ok he could not have commit first murder but what about second one . Sisko only said that he off the station during the first murder. It is possible he did second murders Sisko rule out little to quickly and reckless we know Sisko smarter do something like that or good cover up story excuses let him had classified information rule him out.

There was no reason to think he was the killer, and where would the guy go anyway?

At least DS9 Inquisition never suggestion someone cover it up. DS9 personal no reason doubt section 31 able to do it. As for transporter trance even if what saying is true and that check transporter trace something beam in or out no longer able pick all. Still be evidence fact rifle fire bullet go thought brawl easily task pick. bullet some amount movement effect inside rifle something easily check out. heat changes the fact made smell dents other piece evidence inside. rifle need clean way reason separation scaner part tirocrder should quick way find out trainspotter was used or not.

There is no coverup. The TR-116 was developed to fill a need, but the need disappeared do to improvements in phaser technologies. IF S31 wanted to kill people they have a wide range of non-star fleet weapons to choose from that are possibly better for the job. A 21st century rifle with a few updates would likely be better then a TR-116.

Your theory about finding the transporter would seem to not be a viable one do to it never being used as far as I know.

[Jasonb]

The tircorder often scaner device that can removed smell enough stick into barral rifle itself as way checking if transporter was used.

Why would they bother to waste their time investigating a person who they know can't be the killer?

We don't know how long evidence of transports lasts, or if there are ways to hide it.

Ok he could not have commit first murder but what about second one . Sisko only said that he off the station during the first murder. It is possible he did second murders Sisko rule out little to quickly and reckless we know Sisko smarter do something like that or good cover up story excuses let him had classified information rule him out.

There was no reason to think he was the killer, and where would the guy go anyway?

At least DS9 Inquisition never suggestion someone cover it up. DS9 personal no reason doubt section 31 able to do it. As for transporter trance even if what saying is true and that check transporter trace something beam in or out no longer able pick all. Still be evidence fact rifle fire bullet go thought brawl easily task pick. bullet some amount movement effect inside rifle something easily check out. heat changes the fact made smell dents other piece evidence inside. rifle need clean way reason separation scaner part tirocrder should quick way find out trainspotter was used or not.

There is no coverup. The TR-116 was developed to fill a need, but the need disappeared do to improvements in phaser technologies. IF S31 wanted to kill people they have a wide range of non-star fleet weapons to choose from that are possibly better for the job. A 21st century rifle with a few updates would likely be better then a TR-116.

Your theory about finding the transporter would seem to not be a viable one do to it never being used as far as I know.

Let look facts first Greta Vanderweg had been DS9 for about 2372 and was a science officer and murder by the Tr-116 in 2375 and she second one murder.
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Greta_Vanderweg
Ensign Bertam was science office had Tr-116 and on space station when she murder.
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Bertram_%28male%29
So be good suspect for the second murder. Also factor two know each all type issues no one know about per a say. Which required at least few days investigate not few minutes. Even Tovok know that.
Worst yet no reason commit first murder do with help computer and remote control push the trigger on Tr-116 gun while he was on surface Bajor. So easily build device push one time us push trigger not even funny. Just weight for Heroc Ilario be alone bag their he goes . Of course I could rewritten entire espodie him be murder of both for that matter.

[Lucky]

Let look facts first Greta Vanderweg had been DS9 for about 2372 and was a science officer and murder by the Tr-116 in 2375 and she second one murder.
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Greta_Vanderweg
Ensign Bertam was science office had Tr-116 and on space station when she murder.
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Bertram_%28male%29
So be good suspect for the second murder. Also factor two know each all type issues no one know about per a say. Which required at least few days investigate not few minutes. Even Tovok know that.

Worst yet no reason commit first murder do with help computer and remote control push the trigger on Tr-116 gun while he was on surface Bajor. So easily build device push one time us push trigger not even funny. Just weight for Heroc Ilario be alone bag their he goes . Of course I could rewritten entire espodie him be murder of both for that matter.

They had more then just the fact that Bertram was not there as they can do things like analyze the guy's behavior with computer programs while questioning him, and so on. I doubt we saw everything the investigators did. Logically they looked into everything you bring up if off screen. They only have an hour long time slot to work with you know.

[Jasonb]

Let look facts first Greta Vanderweg had been DS9 for about 2372 and was a science officer and murder by the Tr-116 in 2375 and she second one murder.
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Greta_Vanderweg
Ensign Bertam was science office had Tr-116 and on space station when she murder.
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Bertram_%28male%29
So be good suspect for the second murder. Also factor two know each all type issues no one know about per a say. Which required at least few days investigate not few minutes. Even Tovok know that.

Worst yet no reason commit first murder do with help computer and remote control push the trigger on Tr-116 gun while he was on surface Bajor. So easily build device push one time us push trigger not even funny. Just weight for Heroc Ilario be alone bag their he goes . Of course I could rewritten entire espodie him be murder of both for that matter.

They had more then just the fact that Bertram was not there as they can do things like analyze the guy's behavior with computer programs while questioning him, and so on. I doubt we saw everything the investigators did. Logically they looked into everything you bring up if off screen. They only have an hour long time slot to work with you know.

Problem your argument is that Sisko openly stated that he on Bajor is how know he did not do it. He could give little more time explain they investigation to high level found incest not just said that he was on Bajor. Statement on Bajor is evidence coverup by Sisko.

[Lucky]

Problem your argument is that Sisko openly stated that he on Bajor is how know he did not do it. He could give little more time explain they investigation to high level found incest not just said that he was on Bajor. Statement on Bajor is evidence coverup by Sisko.

Sisko made no attempt to hide anything. If you want an example of a cover-up look at the time Sisko framed the Dominion for the murder of a high ranking Romulan.

There is no cover-up concerning the TR-116.

[Jasonb]

Problem your argument is that Sisko openly stated that he on Bajor is how know he did not do it. He could give little more time explain they investigation to high level found incest not just said that he was on Bajor. Statement on Bajor is evidence coverup by Sisko.

Sisko made no attempt to hide anything. If you want an example of a cover-up look at the time Sisko framed the Dominion for the murder of a high ranking Romulan.

There is no cover-up concerning the TR-116.

Beyond fact Starfleet has special forces like people train advance tactic training http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Advance ... l_Training

We see Federation foot soldiers DS9 .
TOS movie we saw Colonel West rank it self state member MACO.

So unless you suggestion that Federation decide dismantle MACO in TNG
keep working ground force and have one man hit teams commando special tactic training advance tactic training. To my option that extremely unlikely dismantle MACO kept all other militery groups in around. Specail be advance MACO in some case over some train in Advance tactic training.

[Lucky]

Beyond fact Starfleet has special forces like people train advance tactic training http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Advance ... l_Training

We see Federation foot soldiers DS9 .
TOS movie we saw Colonel West rank it self state member MACO.

So unless you suggestion that Federation decide dismantle MACO in TNG
keep working ground force and have one man hit teams commando special tactic training advance tactic training. To my option that extremely unlikely dismantle MACO kept all other militery groups in around. Specail be advance MACO in some case over some train in Advance tactic training.

What do the murders in DS9 and the TR-116 have to do with any of that?

[Jasonb]

Beyond fact Starfleet has special forces like people train advance tactic training http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Advance ... l_Training

We see Federation foot soldiers DS9 .
TOS movie we saw Colonel West rank it self state member MACO.

So unless you suggestion that Federation decide dismantle MACO in TNG
keep working ground force and have one man hit teams commando special tactic training advance tactic training. To my option that extremely unlikely dismantle MACO kept all other militery groups in around. Specail be advance MACO in some case over some train in Advance tactic training.

What do the murders in DS9 and the TR-116 have to do with any of that?

Reason post proven that MACO still existed in 24 century not if Tr-116 starfleet design for MACO or not. No excuss Sisko did point out did investage him to point rule out rather just make that kind single sentence why incest that cover up. However other evidnece reason even believe not cover up. That UFP had ground foot soldeirs, one man commando teams during TNG no reason think not have MACO.

[Lucky]

Reason post proven that MACO still existed in 24 century not if Tr-116 starfleet design for MACO or not. No excuss Sisko did point out did investage him to point rule out rather just make that kind single sentence why incest that cover up. However other evidnece reason even believe not cover up. That UFP had ground foot soldeirs, one man commando teams during TNG no reason think not have MACO.

The TR-116 and the murders have nothing to do with MACO, and there was no reason to investigate further. There is no reason to assume Sisko was covering up anything. You do not want people around who kill their own side seemingly for fun.

There would be little reason for us to see MACO in ST:TNG, and if they were there there is no real reason for them to be named as MACO.

We see what appear to be Federation ground troops in uniforms that are noteably different from those who are seemingly Federation navy(Picard, Sisko), and hear talk of troop transports and landing craft. This is enough to conclude there are large parts of the Federation Military we don't see normally, and that there are marines somewhere.

[Jasonb]

Reason post proven that MACO still existed in 24 century not if Tr-116 starfleet design for MACO or not. No excuss Sisko did point out did investage him to point rule out rather just make that kind single sentence why incest that cover up. However other evidnece reason even believe not cover up. That UFP had ground foot soldeirs, one man commando teams during TNG no reason think not have MACO.

The TR-116 and the murders have nothing to do with MACO, and there was no reason to investigate further. There is no reason to assume Sisko was covering up anything. You do not want people around who kill their own side seemingly for fun.

There would be little reason for us to see MACO in ST:TNG, and if they were there there is no real reason for them to be named as MACO.

We see what appear to be Federation ground troops in uniforms that are noteably different from those who are seemingly Federation navy(Picard, Sisko), and hear talk of troop transports and landing craft. This is enough to conclude there are large parts of the Federation Military we don't see normally, and that there are marines somewhere.

Lot of Earth base agency full working in 23 century into at least 23 century United Earth Space Probe Agency, Section 31 existed into 23 century . Andorian Imperial Guard existed way after Federation from. Then of course Colonel West which is not normal starfleet rank.

[User15052]

Just add to the anger of Star War fans anything with fact federations something very mush like grenade the only thing lacking is us getting see MACO commandoes act.

Take the battle we see on AR-558. Those Federation troops had been fighting without resupply, or reinforcements for five months, and given they were there because of a Dominion communications relay they might have been the Federation equivalent of the US army corp of engineers. This was hardly standard for Star Fleet ground forces, and yet this is possibly the best example of planet side combat during a war in all of Star Trek.

In "Nor the battle strong" we see a battle at a Federation colony, but the colony seems rather small.

We can only guess what a properly equipped Federation ground force would look like.

http://www.stowiki.org/M.A.C.O._(Ground)
http://www.stowiki.org/Omega_Force_(Ground)

Probably not too relivant, but Star Trek Online has armored MACO Scouts and "Marines" with personal shield generators and distortion fields. ("distortion field" is like a cloaking device) This also shows that the MACO exist in 2409, and are now a division of the Starfleet in STO.

[Jasonb]

Just add to the anger of Star War fans anything with fact federations something very mush like grenade the only thing lacking is us getting see MACO commandoes act.

Take the battle we see on AR-558. Those Federation troops had been fighting without resupply, or reinforcements for five months, and given they were there because of a Dominion communications relay they might have been the Federation equivalent of the US army corp of engineers. This was hardly standard for Star Fleet ground forces, and yet this is possibly the best example of planet side combat during a war in all of Star Trek.

In "Nor the battle strong" we see a battle at a Federation colony, but the colony seems rather small.

We can only guess what a properly equipped Federation ground force would look like.

http://www.stowiki.org/M.A.C.O._(Ground)
http://www.stowiki.org/Omega_Force_(Ground)

Probably not too relivant, but Star Trek Online has armored MACO Scouts and "Marines" with personal shield generators and distortion fields. ("distortion field" is like a cloaking device) This also shows that the MACO exist in 2409, and are now a division of the Starfleet in STO.

At least accord site it soft cannon. So has some relevant.