Something to think about

[Socar]

The first time we see Data's strength compared to a Borg's is when he grabs Locutus' arm while they're in his lab.

But in any case, Data is much faster than the Borg, so it sorta seems like the difference is greater than it actually is, especially in ST:FC.

[Jedi Master Spock]

The first time we see Data's strength compared to a Borg's is when he grabs Locutus' arm while they're in his lab.

But in any case, Data is much faster than the Borg, so it sorta seems like the difference is greater than it actually is, especially in ST:FC.

Bear in mind that a certain physical speed implies a certain physical strength as a minimum (although the relationship does not translate the other direction).

So when Data demonstrates super speed, he is also demonstrating super strength. If Data runs super fast, or rearranges things super fast, he's using very high amounts of force.

[Socar]

The first time we see Data's strength compared to a Borg's is when he grabs Locutus' arm while they're in his lab.

But in any case, Data is much faster than the Borg, so it sorta seems like the difference is greater than it actually is, especially in ST:FC.

Bear in mind that a certain physical speed implies a certain physical strength as a minimum (although the relationship does not translate the other direction).

So when Data demonstrates super speed, he is also demonstrating super strength. If Data runs super fast, or rearranges things super fast, he's using very high amounts of force.

Yes, however simply because the drones don't move particularly fast doesn't mean it's because they're weaker. Even the Starfleet officers were moving faster than the drones (Picard for example even dodged some of their swings).

Now compare to 7 of 9 who is no longer a drone, but moves much faster now. The drones just don't seem to move fast for some reason (maybe because of all the stuff they're carrying around on them all the time or the fact that they're just drones, or whatever). Hell, when Data was beating them up in First Contact, he really -wasn't- moving with super speed. He just moved with somewhat above average speed which was more than enough.

[AnonymousRedShirtEnsign]

It's like how a truck can exert a lot of force at low velocity to pull a heavy load. A sports car also has a great deal of horsepower, but it is dependent upon speed. Data seems to have both.

[Jedi Master Spock]

Yes, however simply because the drones don't move particularly fast doesn't mean it's because they're weaker. Even the Starfleet officers were moving faster than the drones (Picard for example even dodged some of their swings).

Exactly why I pointed out the relationship doesn't hold the other way - super strength doesn't mean super speed. Although frankly, the speed is extraordinarily useful in combat, which gives us some consistency/suspension of disbelief problems when we talk about Data. Physical combat is almost all about moving your body and its bits around as quickly as you can manage in a controlled fashion.

I'm reminded of an explanation I gave once to a seventeen year old kid I was teaching TKD to in an impromptu class. There are two types of muscles in the human body, fast twitch muscles and slow twitch muscles.

Fast muscles and slow muscles both provide force in the same way, but they contract much faster. Martial artists of all stripes - whether they practice kendo in a formal hall or fight with knives on the street - develop their fast twitch muscles, allowing them to hit hard and fast. By repeating flash movements, they also develop better neuron connections - reflexes are improved through practice.

After hearing that, the seventeen year old realized one reason why the really buff guys who spent a lot of time in the gym would get the stuffing beat out of them by the rangy street rats in his part of town:

They didn't develop their "fast-twitch" muscles, meaning that though they could bench 300+ pounds, they couldn't throw a decent punch, and couldn't react quickly. Jackie Chan may bench less than Arnold Schwarzenagger, but I bet Jackie hits a lot harder. And faster.

If Data moved at the infamous "Data-speed" in combat, he would be incredibly more deadly than at mere human speeds. Which leaves us asking why he doesn't, and wondering if perhaps his strength isn't quite consistent over the whole series.

[User1627]

I do remember Seven of Nine once bragging about how her muscles were technobabbledly enhanced. I can't remember the episdoe name, but it was the one where she was abducted into a gladator deathmatch game.

The Episode was "Tsunkatse",where she had to take on The Rock as the toughest opponent in the ring. Harry Kim even said (although it was said in the same maner you would say "She's as fat as a whale") that The Rock's race were "stong enough to benchpress a shuttle", or something like that.

Seven of Nine seeme as strong as The Rock's character, and has been show many times to be as strong as Tuvok (in the Episode where they almost beat a pair of Hirogen).

And seing as how the Borg could immobilize crewmembers with only one hand while injecting the tubules with the other in ST:FC, I would guess they were pretty stong indeed.

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