Jedi vs. Predator

l33telboi · Post by **l33telboi** » Tue Dec 09, 2008 7:02 pm

Here's a quicke I thought would be fun.

On some random jungle planet in the Star Wars galaxy, a Jedi is about to meet a Predator. The Jedi is aware that the Predator is out there, stalking him. They fight. But who wins?

The Predator will be carrying the same type of gear as the one in AvP2.

Narsil · Post by **Narsil** » Tue Dec 09, 2008 8:07 pm

Right, here's the summary;

You've got a precognitive with supernatural powers and a sword that can cut through anything on one side and a hunter of some sort with a bit of high tech on the other.

Let's recap.

Yeah... that's about right.

Post by **Trinoya** » Tue Dec 09, 2008 8:15 pm

Some random predator gets to join the severed limbs of star wars club.

Mr. Oragahn · Post by **Mr. Oragahn** » Tue Dec 09, 2008 11:21 pm

Depends on the skills of the Jedi. Even that dinosaur head Jedi got owned by Jango's akimbo pistols, and in general, Jedi don't look that impressive.

It's only when you get near the likes of Windu and Yoda that you get in the realm of pwnage. But when you look at Obi-Wan vs Jango -and I think l33t had this one in mind as well- you really wonder what could happen with a hunter who's particularly stronger, has a personal cloak and a lock-on plasma cannon and a chargeable plasma gun.

You can say what you want about Jedi precog, but Obi-Wan didn't jump out of the way to dodge the missile or the Slave-I's fire. He just got kicked back, taking the blunt of the explosion through his Force powers.

And sorry to say this, but in general, even if a Predator loses, he always manages to pull the self destruct, and depending on the type of explosive he has, it can range from a blast you may dodge if you find some spot to hide in, to blasts that level small cities.

Airlocke_Jedi_Knight · Post by **Airlocke_Jedi_Knight** » Tue Dec 09, 2008 11:55 pm

Movie Jedi or EU Jedi after Luke has has the temple on Yavin IV or the ones on Ossus or Coruscant. EU Jedi win every time. Sometimes they they get injured, maybe even lose a leg, but they find a way to kill the Predator. I mean, they couldn't even feel the Yuuzhan Vong through the force, but after awhile they crushed them. If the Jedi knew it was there, then the Jedi wins.

Movie Jedi, well, I don't know. Yoda, Windu, Anakin, or even Qui-gon kills the predator with little trouble. I think Obi-wan does also, if he knows what he is up against. I mean, his Lightsaber couldn't even slice through the mandalorian armor. Also, he wasn't exactly aware that Jango was so dangerous. Now, the precog. It is more similar to instincts than images of what is to come. Also, Obi-wan is not shown to be especially powerful in the force. He is adequate but not amazing. Whenever he duels Tyrannus he gets thrown around by the sith's force powers. He just isn't that amazing with the force. He is, however, one of the greatest saber duelists in history. I don't know, I think that most Jedi can take the predators, but definitely not all movie Jedi. Then, again, I am horribly biased in this area. I love Jedi.

Flectarn · Post by **Flectarn** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 12:50 am

is a predator even going to let the jedi close to saber range?

Mr. Oragahn · Post by **Mr. Oragahn** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 12:35 pm

Flectarn wrote:is a predator even going to let the jedi close to saber range?

If the Predator realizes that the Jedi has magic, no, not by a long foot.

That said, the Jedi might use a power that lets him "see" without something else than his eyes.

Praeothmin · Post by **Praeothmin** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 4:59 pm

this is a tough one.
Do we use the Predators from the first two movies, or the "good" hunters from the AvP movies?

Also, Predators being what they are, they will stalk and analyze the Jedi before moving in.
So they will more then likely be aware of the special powers of the Jedi.

And like it has been mentioned before, Movie Jedi are not that impressive.
As seen in the Obi-Wan vs Jango, Jango vs the "Dinosaur Head" Jedi fights, Precog isn't all that powerful.
It does help, but it isn't the "Be all, End all" type of power.
It has demonstrated weaknesses vs grappling lines, punches and kicks... ;)
In fact, the only time Precog seems to help in the movies is when defending against Blasters.
That being said, if we're to take the Pred's weapon's name at face value (Plasma Caster), then I have trouble imagining how the Jedi's sabre will be able to block the Pred's shots.
And how will the Jedi block those "Shuriken"?
We saw the Pred in AvP: Requiem was quite adept at throwing 2 at a time.
Jedi have not been shown to be that adept at evading, and blocking one with a Lightsabre will likely yiled four melted halves of the Shuriken hitting the Jedi, and probably hurting.
Then, there are the spears, wrist blades, etc...
And seeing as how the Preds seemed to heat his blades in Predator 1, then they might be able to resist heat very well, making them tougher to cut with a Lightsabre.

Then, there's HtH combat if the Pred manages to take away the Jedi's weapon.
Facing off against an opponent who can knock 200 pound beings through brick walls is not something a Jedi's used to.
Preds are immensily stronger then Wookies, and way more agile.

Unless (as was mentioned) we are talking about the High-End movie Jedis like Yoda, Mace Windu, Anakin or Obi-Wan, I don't see any "run-of-the-mill" Jedi take this fight.

Airlocke_Jedi_Knight · Post by **Airlocke_Jedi_Knight** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 10:32 am

Praeothmin wrote:this is a tough one.

Preds are immensily stronger then Wookies, and way more agile.

Please, please explain this. We do not know the exact strength of a Wookiee or of a Predator, but we do know that Wookiees can pull the arms off of a human, which would take much more more than 200 lbs of force. Also, there are scenes where Chewbacca threw 200 lb individuals across the room without much exertion. This statement cannot possibly be proven and is, IMO, absolutely absurd. I mean, Chewbacca carried C-3PO around on his back for the majority of ESB and he has to way more than 120 lbs.

Mr. Oragahn · Post by **Mr. Oragahn** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 1:24 pm

Airlocke_Jedi_Knight wrote:
Praeothmin wrote:this is a tough one.

Preds are immensily stronger then Wookies, and way more agile.
Please, please explain this. We do not know the exact strength of a Wookiee or of a Predator, but we do know that Wookiees can pull the arms off of a human, which would take much more more than 200 lbs of force.

So said Solo during a game of holochess to impress, (jokingly?) a sympathetic and near harmless droid?

That's not called reliable. Some would even call that bluff.

Also, there are scenes where Chewbacca threw 200 lb individuals across the room without much exertion.

Across the room? No, we saw Predators throw people and aliens across rooms. Chewie barely threw them two meters away.

I mean, Chewbacca carried C-3PO around on his back for the majority of ESB and he has to way more than 120 lbs.

We can't know for sure the weight of C-3PO, and at best it would show he's stronger and has more stamina than a human, but would in no way prove that a Predator can't do the same.

Predators have been lifting people effortlessly, and did that even to pull them up and have bodies hang upside down in trees.

Praeothmin · Post by **Praeothmin** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 2:26 pm

Awww, Oragahn, you used all my arguments... :)

Airlocke_Jedi_Knight, As Oragahn said, the best we've seen Chewie do in the movies was to throw a StormTrooper at another ST that was standing at most about two feet away.

And also as Oragahn pointed, we have no clue how light or heavy C3PO is, but we do know that the Predator lifted Arnold Schwarzenegger with one arm and pinned him on a tree, and held him there for a few minutes, before casually throwing him away.
We can easily estimate Arnie's weight in Predator.
Arnie was 6'2'', and at that time was still heavily into bodybuilding, so he weighted at least 220 pounds.

We also know the Predators are strong enough to climb in trees while carrying limp, heavy bodies.
I'm sorry, I know it is hard for you to believe, being a SW fan an all, but Predators have proven beyond doubt to anyone objective enough that they are, indeed, way stronger then any Wookiee...

Narsil · Post by **Narsil** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 5:28 pm

Except for two things;

In the EU, fully-sized wookiees have literally torn the post-RotS clone troopers apart limb from limb with their bare hands.

Chewbacca, as well, is a not a fully-sized wookiee, and is considered to be a runt. Using him as a benchmark for wookiee strength isn't entirely fair.

Post by **Mike DiCenso** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 5:39 pm

Sorry, Airlocke. The Preds as shown in all their movie and comic book variations are heads and shoulders way above the wookies, except for their EU depiction. However given the canon hierarchy in play, the movie version of wookies is what we have to go with. No claws, no super-duper-strength. The wookie does get better senses than a human would; smell; sight, hearing, ect that can mitigate somewhat the other special advantages the Preds have technologically, such as the personal cloak, and their amazing stealth abilities.

Mr. Oragahn and Praeothmin correct about what we have seen the Preds do in terms of raw physical strength. In Predator 2 opening, the Pred is described as having tossed humans victims straight up into a ceiling rafter... humans who, even without the 20-50 pounds of equipment and protective gear they are carrying on them in some cases, would be in the 185 to 250 pound (84 to 113 kg) weight range!

In both the first and the second movie, the Preds have been shown climbing trees and tall buildings while carrying inert human corpses, some of whom are rather weighty, rather effortlessly. In the second movie, the Pred, even with it's hand missing after Harrigan cut it off was still able to climb around and fight.

The technological advantages of the Preds are well-known. The plasma caster; the mask with multiple frequency scanning range sensors, recorder with playback mode, limited life-support, and translator; the cloaking screen that may also act as a limited shield (Preds were shot at in both movies with heavy rapid-firemachine guns and pistols while this cloak/shield were up and either suffered no damage or were only lightly wounded). Other special weapons include the wrist blades; various dart weapons; shuriken-type bladed weapons, swords, a double-bladed throwing weapon; telescopiing spear; lacerating net, ect. All these weapons are of some strange metallurgy unknown to our science and can cut or penetrate near-effortlessly through concrete walls, thick sheet steel, and more. They can also withstand the highly acidic blood of the Xenomorph Aliens.

The one reason why the main human wins any of the movies is because the Pred has a strong code of honor, and is often willing to handicap itself in order to make the fight more fair against the choosen main prey. They will not attack a helpless or unarmed opponet or innocent by-standers. They will not take a trophy from someone else's kill. They will not interfere in a battle between others, even one of their own, and in the rare case where a human has beaten one of them, they will honor that person with a trophy and allow them to leave unharmed.
-Mike

Post by **Mike DiCenso** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 5:53 pm

Narsil wrote:Except for two things;

In the EU, fully-sized wookiees have literally torn the post-RotS clone troopers apart limb from limb with their bare hands.

Chewbacca, as well, is a not a fully-sized wookiee, and is considered to be a runt. Using him as a benchmark for wookiee strength isn't entirely fair.

None of which is canon as it is clearly contradicted by what is shown in the RoTS movie. Chewie is no bigger or smaller than any of the other, even the obviously elder wookies seen on Kashyyyk. Nor does he appear any weaker or stronger. There is no sign of the claws described in the EU sources, even when those claws would have been highly useful.
-Mike

Narsil · Post by **Narsil** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 8:27 pm

Actually, the other wookiees in the film were noticeably bulkier and in several cases quite a bit taller and it's in the director's commentary that Chewie was meant to be the runt.