Sovereign class starship vs 5 Ferengi Marauders

[Kor_Dahar_Master]

Battle takes place over an abandoned planet.

They start off on opposite sides.

No going to warp.


Who wins?

I suppose that if the SOV is faster and more maneuverable, has greater weapons range and the fact that the ships start in a position where they cannot hit each other allows the sov to destroy them one at a time while staying out of range of the buttheads ships.

However toe to toe against 5 it would get owned.

[Admiral Breetai]

The "unshielded", pre-War refit E-D in ST:GEN endured more than 14 hits by the old BoP before suffering from a Warp Core failure...

Still, we need to use comparable enemies...

well then every time they went up against the dominion pre-refit they got splattered and I don't think a WGCS did any fighting against the borg did they?

[Praeothmin]

The "unshielded", pre-War refit E-D in ST:GEN endured more than 14 hits by the old BoP before suffering from a Warp Core failure...

Still, we need to use comparable enemies...

well then every time they went up against the dominion pre-refit they got splattered and I don't think a WGCS did any fighting against the borg did they?

There's only 1 GCS that went against the Dominion Pre-refit, and it got splattered because a Dominion Bud rammed it...

[Admiral Breetai]

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There's only 1 GCS that went against the Dominion Pre-refit, and it got splattered because a Dominion Bud rammed it...

true and it did seem to have been able to survive it had its warp core not been damaged

[Praeothmin]

Plus the E-D, another pre-War GCS, taking many hits from the BoP in GEN, shows us these ships are not as weak as many seem to believe...
So no, 1 Sovereign vs 3 Marauders is still not a win for the Sovie...

[Kor_Dahar_Master]

Plus the E-D, another pre-War GCS, taking many hits from the BoP in GEN, shows us these ships are not as weak as many seem to believe...
So no, 1 Sovereign vs 3 Marauders is still not a win for the Sovie...

The refit sov is a beast in regards to offensive firepower compared to the original GCS so after the first shots its going to be at best 2 vs a sov with a issue of one sector on its shield grid.

5 is too many for the sov in a close range slug fest but id say 3 is managable with perhaps some damage depending on ship positions at the start of the battle.

[Praeothmin]

Plus the E-D, another pre-War GCS, taking many hits from the BoP in GEN, shows us these ships are not as weak as many seem to believe...
So no, 1 Sovereign vs 3 Marauders is still not a win for the Sovie...

The refit sov is a beast in regards to offensive firepower compared to the original GCS so after the first shots its going to be at best 2 vs a sov with a issue of one sector on its shield grid.

5 is too many for the sov in a close range slug fest but id say 3 is managable with perhaps some damage depending on ship positions at the start of the battle.

What makes you say that?
Again, we'd need to check the first GCS's performance vs the Borg, when their weapons weren't adapted to.
In their first meeting, the GCS blew chunks out of the Borg Cube, so its weapons aren't anything to laugh at, and the Sovie will certainly not ignore the hits from the GCSs' weapons.
Plus the GCS has been seen firing bursts of 5-6 torpedoes, while the most we've seen the Sov fire was 3, iirc...

[Kor_Dahar_Master]

What makes you say that?
Again, we'd need to check the first GCS's performance vs the Borg, when their weapons weren't adapted to.

So?, it a certainty that the sovs shields are going to be awsome against the ferengi weapon types.

Plus the GCS has been seen firing bursts of 5-6 torpedoes, while the most we've seen the Sov fire was 3, iirc...

They fire 9 quantum torpedoes in 3 groups of 3 in 12 seconds from their forward tubes alone (so a 6 second reload time) and have other launchers in a variety of places around the hull not just fore and aft like the GCS.

The best we ever saw from the galaxy class was 10 photon torps in over 15 seconds in 2 groups of 5 (so roughly 15 second reload time).

The faster reaction time of the sov due to its bio circitry mean that its going to be the first to fire if they all start fighting at the same time, as such the ferengi only get hits of two ships as the one the sov hits its gonna be screwed.

[Praeothmin]

They fire 9 quantum torpedoes in 3 groups of 3 in 12 seconds from their forward tubes alone

When or where did we see that?

[Admiral Breetai]

I will say this The Galaxy did fairly well as did the Ambassador in the first battle of Chintoka where both supposedly got huge sections of their hulls torn out completely yet kept on fighting

if the Marauder is as tough as that while possessing fire power in excess of the classic GCS then they should be able to down the sovie with considerable casualties-the question that Matt needs to specify is if the Fereingi are fighting under blood lusted conditions with no regard for their own personal safety or profit..or if they are IC..because that may assist in the sovies chances

[Kor_Dahar_Master]

They fire 9 quantum torpedoes in 3 groups of 3 in 12 seconds from their forward tubes alone

When or where did we see that?

Nemesis, Troi locates the ship using the anti-rape mind trick, they fire 3, then 6 seconds later another 3, then 6 seconds after that another 3 so 9 in 12 seconds.

[Praeothmin]

Ah, didn't remember the scene...
But then again, the Sovie will run out of torpedoes faster then the GCS... :)

[User1469]

I am pulling 250 photon torps for the GCS, but no numbers for the Sovie. At least not on memory Alpha.
But it does have Quantum torps

[Kor_Dahar_Master]

Ah, didn't remember the scene...
But then again, the Sovie will run out of torpedoes faster then the GCS... :)

Given a greater number of enemies than they have torpedoes to destroy that would be true, unfortunatly the higher DMG from the torps on the SOV will kill more ships overall.

[Picard]

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