LMAO@SpaceBattles!

[Lucky]

No you just don't want to so you come up with silly impossibilities.

Fuck off. The rest of your post is retarded.
Wow, that was fast.

Lucky's post didn't warrant this type of response, Mr. O.
You know the rules, so you'll get a warning.

And my reply certainly didn't warrant being accused of dishonesty in some roundabout fashion, just because one [beep] can't stand that I don't understand his point or merely disagree with him.
I don't get many warnings a month, so I'm within my safety zone anyway... ;)

Then please explain how the Kazon would be able to mine space, and what evidence there is to support the idea since that is what you seemed to be what you are suggesting? If the Kazon were not firing the torpedos how did they get in Voyager's path?

The idea of laying a mine field in space is silly because of the area that would need to be covered, and the density of mines needed unless you have a choke point like the wormhole, and even then you need a bleep load of mines.

[Mr. Oragahn]

I didn't say they were establishing a mine field.

[Praeothmin]

Lucky, were the Kazon following Voyager?
Where they going towards Voyager?

EDIT: Just watched the video you porvided Lucky, and the Kazon were going at an unknown Warp Speed, just as Voyager.
The first Torpedo detonates and less than 15 seconds later Janeway orders Paris to take them out of Warp.
If they were travelling at c, than the first Torpedoes were fired at a minimum distance of 4.5 million km.
I say minimum because the estimated interception time was 30 seconds, which means the vessels were still out of combat range...

[Lucky]

I didn't say they were establishing a mine field.

I'm really not following you here. The Voyager was flying through torps placed on its path or something similar akin to mimic a mine behaviour. So the ranges at that moment were only exceptional due to the use of warp. Probably warp sustainers then.
But then nothing happens when Voyager goes back at STL.
And the visuals once again show something silly.

It would be far simpler if you just explained what you meant rather then getting angry. What did you mean by "placed on it's path" and "something similar akin to mimic a mine behavior" if you did not mean that you thought the Kazon created a mine field for Voyager to travel through?

It's also stated Voyager could have returned fire, but the captain thought that at that range it would be a waste of torpedos for some unstated reason.

Why must there be some tech never talked about called warp sustainers?

[Lucky]

Lucky, were the Kazon following Voyager?
Where they going towards Voyager?

EDIT: Just watched the video you porvided Lucky, and the Kazon were going at an unknown Warp Speed, just as Voyager.
The first Torpedo detonates and less than 15 seconds later Janeway orders Paris to take them out of Warp.
If they were travelling at c, than the first Torpedoes were fired at a minimum distance of 4.5 million km.
I say minimum because the estimated interception time was 30 seconds, which means the vessels were still out of combat range...

Isn't that what I said?

[Mr. Oragahn]

I didn't say they were establishing a mine field.

I'm really not following you here. The Voyager was flying through torps placed on its path or something similar akin to mimic a mine behaviour. So the ranges at that moment were only exceptional due to the use of warp. Probably warp sustainers then.
But then nothing happens when Voyager goes back at STL.
And the visuals once again show something silly.

It would be far simpler if you just explained what you meant rather then getting angry.

And I'd be willing to explain anything if I wasn't insulted right off the bat.
So you'll have to sit on your hands for any explanation. I'll just say that there's quite a difference between establishing a mine field in space, and shooting torps in such a way that they get to be placed on the path of an incoming ship in a way that essentially makes the torps act like mines.

Those warp ranges are ridiculous. Not only they're never used in combat, but we're yet to see torps actually leave FTL or even hit at FTL targets at sublight.
There's probably a very good reason why torpedoes capable of sustaining warp can't go down and pass the c barrier on their own, and there's probably an equally very good reason why torps can't be shot at warp speed from edge of a system to take down any ship moving at a snail pace.

[Praeothmin]

What's the situation in this case?
Were the Kazon aware that Voyager was coming back towards them and did they have the time to set up such a mine field?
Did they know Voyager would be passing right in their mine field?
How could they?
Did they only make that path available?

Because from that passage from the show, it sure seems like the Kazon are indeed firing at Voyager from far away, and Janeway's comment does indeed seem to indicate she could have fired, but chose not to because it was impractical (at that range, even the Kazon seemed to miss more than they hit).

So if you want to pursue the idea of a minefield, Mr. O, then you would need to provide evidence of this planning by the Kazon...

[Mr. Oragahn]

What's the situation in this case?
Were the Kazon aware that Voyager was coming back towards them and did they have the time to set up such a mine field?
Did they know Voyager would be passing right in their mine field?
How could they?
Did they only make that path available?

Because from that passage from the show, it sure seems like the Kazon are indeed firing at Voyager from far away, and Janeway's comment does indeed seem to indicate she could have fired, but chose not to because it was impractical (at that range, even the Kazon seemed to miss more than they hit).

So if you want to pursue the idea of a minefield, Mr. O, then you would need to provide evidence of this planning by the Kazon...

"They are randomly detonating torpedoes in our flight path."

That is essentially mining the path. No need for a mine "field", which I never spoke of to begin with.

[Praeothmin]

We know torpedoes can be detonated remotely, or set to proximity detonation.
The Kazons could just as easily been firing at Voyager's general location and detonated the torpedoes manually, or had them set to proximity detonation...
While at these ranges targetting was hard (which would explain why Janeway didn't return fire, saying they "didn't have any torpedoes to waste like that"), it was still simple enough firing in the vicinity of Voyager, even planning where they were going to be at their speed, and fire torpedoes in the general vicinity...

As I said, unless the Kazon has truly left Voyager with only 1 possible path, then they could not have set this up in advance.
We have no indication the torpedoes were laid there in advance, and we have a clear statement that Voyager will not do the same because it would waste torpedoes.
Since the effect of the Kazon torpedoes on Voyager isn't that impressive, then one can easily understand Janeway not wanting to retaliate...

[Mr. Oragahn]

We know torpedoes can be detonated remotely, or set to proximity detonation.
The Kazons could just as easily been firing at Voyager's general location and detonated the torpedoes manually, or had them set to proximity detonation...
While at these ranges targetting was hard (which would explain why Janeway didn't return fire, saying they "didn't have any torpedoes to waste like that"), it was still simple enough firing in the vicinity of Voyager, even planning where they were going to be at their speed, and fire torpedoes in the general vicinity...

As I said, unless the Kazon has truly left Voyager with only 1 possible path, then they could not have set this up in advance.
We have no indication the torpedoes were laid there in advance, and we have a clear statement that Voyager will not do the same because it would waste torpedoes.
Since the effect of the Kazon torpedoes on Voyager isn't that impressive, then one can easily understand Janeway not wanting to retaliate...

I didn't claim they set this in advance whatsoever, just that the way the torpedoes were fired acted like mining, as they were put onto Voyager's path. The ship was basically running into them at that point.

[Praeothmin]

Yes, but that means they still had to fire these torpedoes at a distance of millions of km in order for them to attain Voyager's position...

[Mike DiCenso]

The "Basics, Part 1" example is not only another example of range, but also warp speed combat. The two opposing sides were closing at warp speed, thus the range opening up the combat when the ship first starts to shake would have to be enourmous, and is quite possibly the largest known combat range after ST:TMP. The lowest end range for this example is 10,000 km, and that is well after the two sides have dropped from warp.
-Mike

[Mr. Oragahn]

Yes, but that means they still had to fire these torpedoes at a distance of millions of km in order for them to attain Voyager's position...

Yeah but it's all at warp. So the range can be great, but not really relevant when it comes to typical battles which are simply not fought over such ranges when a target is not at FTL warp.

[Lucky]

Yes, but that means they still had to fire these torpedoes at a distance of millions of km in order for them to attain Voyager's position...

Yeah but it's all at warp. So the range can be great, but not really relevant when it comes to typical battles which are simply not fought over such ranges when a target is not at FTL warp.

What does warp matter? It's evidence that torpedos can travel millions of Kilometers at least while at warp under their own power.

How do you know what ranges normal combat takes place at?

[Lucky]

We know torpedoes can be detonated remotely, or set to proximity detonation.
The Kazons could just as easily been firing at Voyager's general location and detonated the torpedoes manually, or had them set to proximity detonation...
While at these ranges targetting was hard (which would explain why Janeway didn't return fire, saying they "didn't have any torpedoes to waste like that"), it was still simple enough firing in the vicinity of Voyager, even planning where they were going to be at their speed, and fire torpedoes in the general vicinity...

As I said, unless the Kazon has truly left Voyager with only 1 possible path, then they could not have set this up in advance.
We have no indication the torpedoes were laid there in advance, and we have a clear statement that Voyager will not do the same because it would waste torpedoes.
Since the effect of the Kazon torpedoes on Voyager isn't that impressive, then one can easily understand Janeway not wanting to retaliate...

I didn't claim they set this in advance whatsoever, just that the way the torpedoes were fired acted like mining, as they were put onto Voyager's path. The ship was basically running into them at that point.

The scene makes it sound like the Kazon were using their torpedos like flak shells to me.