The Die is Cast, ICS, and a retrospective on vs. debates.

[watchdog]

For your viewing pleasure, his latest response;

But there was a massive explosion that hit the OUTSIDE of the ship. And the torpedo Ani fired pierced through the core and then exploded.
And the ship shot by the Republic cruiser showed no signs of damage like with Grievous' ship later on the film. Making your point absolutely wrong.

He's refering to the proton torpedos that impact the Trade Federation ship at the end of ep 1 and then Anakins torpedo hits which destroy the ship. He claims that proton torpedoes have a focused explosion and all the destructive energy goes forward rather than all around. Anakins torpedos disprove this unless you want to claim that the torpedoes somehow knew to transfer all of their destructive energy up and down the verticle apparatus of the 'core' as he calls it. That makes no sense because the torpedos have no way of knowing what kind of target they are fired against, so either they focus their energy forward or they magically focus their energy up and down the shaft of the thing Anakin hit (which is a stupid thing to claim). Either way, the explosion seen disproves the focused argument and shows that the protorps are not much more powerful than a photorp.
The Republic cruiser bit is his claim that the beam weapon seen was able to destroy the enemy ship with one shot only. Seeing as how it resembled a phaser, I might claim that a good phaser shot will do the same ;)
I took a look at the scene before I responded, Anakin and Obi-Wan's fighters were clearing an explosion and for less than a second you see the Seperatist ship he's talking about, less than a second. Then it explodes, in that brief second it looks like there might have been smoke trailing from the ship before it blows, but as the scene is coming out of a seperate explosion, it's hard to tell.
My real response;

Yes, showing an explosion roughly the same size as a standard photon torpedo.
You seriously need to rewatch the movie; the core you keep referring to was not very wide at all. If the torpedoes focused their explosive power the way you claim, it would cause a massive blast out behind the apparatus that we see hit in the movie, which is not very big at all.
You barely see that ship intact for more than a full second before it gets destroyed so its exact status before its destruction is difficult to ascertain.
My points are completely valid; yours however are mostly based in fantasy.

I just posted this, he's probably already responded.
You guys want to see the entire debate (with all it's twists and turns), you can find it in the comment section at this deviant art site;
http://apollonui.deviantart.com/art/Sta ... -176039568
My user ID is "the-first-watchdog" and my avatar is a little character like the one I use here, only in a bowler hat and vest.

[watchdog]

Good god I was right, he responded within 30 min;

Except for the fact that we do see what happens when the torpedo explodes OUTSIDE of the ship, which envelops the whole satellite dish. And again, the massive blast does happen, and Anakin does have to get out of the ship thanks to it. Again, you choose one over the other, despite the fact that Star Trek is just as inconsistent. Torpedoes that explode for 300 meters destroying entire land masses in other episodes.

Then again, consistency isn't a thing in Star Trek debates anyways. Not when the manuals themselves are approved by George Lucas, and the fact is, his site even quotes Wookieepedia.

Again, the point here is that Turbolasers can penetrate with the force of 200 gigatons focused onto a small 50 meter explosion. Meaning that it won't waste the countryside, but it would waste a ship that can withstand nukes.

My god this poor bastard has no life. It takes me days if not weeks sometimes to respond to this guy. He comes back with a rant almost immedeatly, I suppose he has nothing better to do than to sit around watching the threads he comments on...maybe he's lonely.

[watchdog]

My reply which I just posted a second ago (he'll probably already have a reply up by the time I finish posting this here);

That satellite dish explosion is the only one of that size seen from the torpedoes, literally larger than all the other torpedo explosions in the movie. It’s likely they hit something volatile which created the extra-large blast, but I’m willing to accept that the blast was all from the torpedo itself. The massive blast that Anakin was fleeing from was the chain reaction that STARTED with the torpedoes Anakin fired; one thing gets destroyed by the torpedoes which cascades into something else blowing up etc,etc.
My thing about the claims is as I’ve repeatedly stated, there is nothing seen in anything with the name Star Wars that backs up the claims of 200 GT turbolasers.
What makes you think that beam weapon in ep 3 was a turbolaser anyway, it doesn’t look anything like a turbolaser, in fact it looks more like a phaser :D

I do have a life, and I have other things to do as well. Plus it's nearly 3 am where I'm at right now, so I'm done with him for a while.
Good night y'all.

[Praeothmin]

Yeah, looking at all the crossover pics and saving them (they are nice), I see the guy is all over DA spouting his bullshit... :)

[Khas]

For the record, here's a thread on ASVS about him:
http://forums.asvs.org/index.php?/topic ... test-hits/

[watchdog]

Wow, I knew this guy was pathetic, but I had no idea to what extent.
Because of how quickly he replies to comments, I figured he was probably some dumb kid. The Glenn Beck/anti-evolution/homophobia suggest that, sadley, he's probably just a really pathetic adult living in, if not his mom's basement, someones basement, with a tin-foil hat wrapped around his head. I bet he listens to Alex Jones (a man who gives us Joneses a bad name) as well.
That ASVS thread suggests that continuing to debate him is a worthless proposition, I'll keep it up though, I dislike allowing such a person to have the last word.