The Hoth Shield as the ultimate upper limit

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Re: The Hoth Shield as the ultimate upper limit

Post by Lucky » Thu Mar 14, 2013 8:58 am

The relevant part is at 5:28 to about 14:36. It is the part about earthquake bombs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09Yn1_Wnq_M

Turbolasers blasters and lasers in Star Wars act like shells most of the time. Very few weapons in Star Wars act like beams.

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Re: The Hoth Shield as the ultimate upper limit

Post by Mr. Oragahn » Thu Mar 14, 2013 11:59 pm

Yes but they don't exactly have the power of bombs either so I think they're a mix of both: thermal and blast, with a lot on the thermal side.

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Re: The Hoth Shield as the ultimate upper limit

Post by Lucky » Sun Mar 24, 2013 5:04 am

Mr. Oragahn wrote: Yes but they don't exactly have the power of bombs either so I think they're a mix of both: thermal and blast, with a lot on the thermal side.
While Turbolaser/Laser/Blaster bolts glow, I fail to recall any notable release of energy until the bolt explodes. I'm sure there is a loss while tunneling, but that is what causes the bolt to explode.

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Re: The Hoth Shield as the ultimate upper limit

Post by Mr. Oragahn » Sat Apr 06, 2013 1:35 pm

Lucky wrote:
Mr. Oragahn wrote: Yes but they don't exactly have the power of bombs either so I think they're a mix of both: thermal and blast, with a lot on the thermal side.
While Turbolaser/Laser/Blaster bolts glow, I fail to recall any notable release of energy until the bolt explodes. I'm sure there is a loss while tunneling, but that is what causes the bolt to explode.
Their explosions aren't exactly very bomb-like either. But chalk it up to Hollywood, that constantly insisted on adding gasoline to make things prettier while actually less damaging, blast-wise.

There's a limit to how far we can take visuals in that case, and explosions are always the poor child in such debates.
For the sake of simplicity, you should work on the basis of theoretical models.

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Re: The Hoth Shield as the ultimate upper limit

Post by Lucky » Tue Apr 09, 2013 3:51 am

Mr. Oragahn wrote:Yes but they don't exactly have the power of bombs either so I think they're a mix of both: thermal and blast, with a lot on the thermal side.
Lucky wrote:While Turbolaser/Laser/Blaster bolts glow, I fail to recall any notable release of energy until the bolt explodes. I'm sure there is a loss while tunneling, but that is what causes the bolt to explode.
Mr. Oragahn wrote: Their explosions aren't exactly very bomb-like either. But chalk it up to Hollywood, that constantly insisted on adding gasoline to make things prettier while actually less damaging, blast-wise.

There's a limit to how far we can take visuals in that case, and explosions are always the poor child in such debates.
For the sake of simplicity, you should work on the basis of theoretical models.
I see no reason to throw out visuals. It might make sense to not take them 100% literally, but "Laser flak" is in the novelizations, scripts, all 7 movies, and in all 5 seasons of the TV show. It isn't some accident meant to be pretty or dramatic, but a function of the weapon technology used in Star Wars.

"Laser Bolts" in Star wars tend to act like shells fired from battleships or shotguns(Frag-12 type shells).
[url]http://starwars.com/explore/encyclopedia/technology/aattank/[/url] wrote: primary turret laser cannon, twin lateral range-finding lasers, twin lateral antipersonnel lasers, 6 energy shell projectile launchers
And yet every shot from an AAT explodes.

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Re: The Hoth Shield as the ultimate upper limit

Post by Mr. Oragahn » Fri Apr 19, 2013 8:48 pm

Lucky wrote:
Mr. Oragahn wrote:Yes but they don't exactly have the power of bombs either so I think they're a mix of both: thermal and blast, with a lot on the thermal side.
Lucky wrote:While Turbolaser/Laser/Blaster bolts glow, I fail to recall any notable release of energy until the bolt explodes. I'm sure there is a loss while tunneling, but that is what causes the bolt to explode.
Mr. Oragahn wrote: Their explosions aren't exactly very bomb-like either. But chalk it up to Hollywood, that constantly insisted on adding gasoline to make things prettier while actually less damaging, blast-wise.

There's a limit to how far we can take visuals in that case, and explosions are always the poor child in such debates.
For the sake of simplicity, you should work on the basis of theoretical models.
I see no reason to throw out visuals. It might make sense to not take them 100% literally, but "Laser flak" is in the novelizations, scripts, all 7 movies, and in all 5 seasons of the TV show. It isn't some accident meant to be pretty or dramatic, but a function of the weapon technology used in Star Wars.

"Laser Bolts" in Star wars tend to act like shells fired from battleships or shotguns(Frag-12 type shells).
[url]http://starwars.com/explore/encyclopedia/technology/aattank/[/url] wrote: primary turret laser cannon, twin lateral range-finding lasers, twin lateral antipersonnel lasers, 6 energy shell projectile launchers
And yet every shot from an AAT explodes.
Did I say there were no flaks, no explosions?
No. Please read what I said first.
I'm saying explosions in SW; for some weapons, tend to be far from efficient detonating devices.

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Re: The Hoth Shield as the ultimate upper limit

Post by Lucky » Sat Apr 20, 2013 8:19 am

Mr. Oragahn wrote: Did I say there were no flaks, no explosions?
No. Please read what I said first.
I'm saying explosions in SW; for some weapons, tend to be far from efficient detonating devices.
Turbolasers seem rather explosive to me. Look at what they did when they hit the Falcon in The Empire Strikes Back. The explosion caused the Falcon to nearly flip over. Exploding is the primary method blaster/laser/turbolaser bolts transfer energy.

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Re: The Hoth Shield as the ultimate upper limit

Post by Mr. Oragahn » Fri May 03, 2013 9:10 pm

Lucky wrote:
Mr. Oragahn wrote: Did I say there were no flaks, no explosions?
No. Please read what I said first.
I'm saying explosions in SW; for some weapons, tend to be far from efficient detonating devices.
Turbolasers seem rather explosive to me. Look at what they did when they hit the Falcon in The Empire Strikes Back. The explosion caused the Falcon to nearly flip over. Exploding is the primary method blaster/laser/turbolaser bolts transfer energy.
Yes, a heavy weapon, probably supercharged to some degree (cue, the name of said weapon), used against a small cargo.

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Re: The Hoth Shield as the ultimate upper limit

Post by Jasonb » Sun Jul 14, 2013 2:54 am

Must shield surrounded entire planet well only design stop energy weapons KE weapons. Basic making ISD weapons unless and shield likely power enough stop anything tie bomber drop.

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Re: The Hoth Shield as the ultimate upper limit

Post by Mr. Oragahn » Mon Jul 22, 2013 4:20 pm

Jasonb wrote:Must shield surrounded entire planet well only design stop energy weapons KE weapons. Basic making ISD weapons unless and shield likely power enough stop anything tie bomber drop.
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