Let me get this straight, you actually stated that there would be ten billion combatants, but now you don't even know what earths population is, and you appear to be under the impression that the federation can actually equip 10 billion people with phasers.Actually, since even most normally combat ineffective personnel can kill on Ork using a hand phaser if cornered, it is somewhat relevant. In truth, we don't know, just as we don't actually know Earth's population.
What are you playing at ?
You don't actually have any evidence at all do you ?We don't know how heavily Starfleet personnel are concentrated on Earth. It's apparently heavily enough to enact very thorough martial law, but it could very easily be anywhere from 1 to 100 million well trained personnel. Depending on choice of recreation and, again, the geographic concentration of Starfleet personnel, up to 1 billion might be capable of providing able armed resistance.
just random theorising.
This is the fleet from Armageddon 3, which makes it low end a couple of million orks, since the Imperium deployed literally millions in response, and were still massively outnumbered across the entire planet and sector.Well, if we make the ground force sufficiently large, the Orks will sweep the planet; if the fleet is sufficiently large, Starfleet won't be able to take it apart in anything resembling a reasonable time.
Two battlekroozers between them deployed 250k orks and their equipment via tellyporta and landing craft (Epic Armageddon)there are 12-16 other vessels that dwarf these ships and by themselves are described as being capable of carrying hundreds of thousands or even millions of orks, and over 400 vessels about half the displacement of the BKs, and then another 2000 ISD sized vessels, then another hundred Roks.
I'm not artificially inflating the numbers, or making them up completely as you appear to be. These are the facts.
Even though I doubt you can make such an authorative statement as far as 250k orks go, since you apparently have no concept as to how many armed troops the Federation has on earth, between them ,two ork Battlekroozers dropped a quarter of a million troops in mere hours during the attack on Armageddon.For example, if there are ~100 million Orks landed, then it's quite certain the planet will be swept in no more than a couple of weeks at most. If 250,000 Orks land (on the other extreme) they'll get wiped out in a couple weeks.
Its only "quite possible" if someones got some evidence for such an activity, otherwise its baseless theorising.Not necessarily. As suggested here, it's quite possible Worf was deploying an area-effect weapon designed to disable enemy weaponry.
Fact: Worf pulled out shoulder mounted weapon that blasted a few Sona off their feet and/or killed them.
Fact: He didn't effortlessly widebeam stun/kill them, or sweep a continuous phaser beam on stun/kill across their group.
Which does precisely zip all in countering the fact that they also deploy rather large numbers of everything else.Because for a pseudomodern force, they are quite heavily concentrated on axes and pistols.
It wouldn't shock me that even in Thrakas horde there would be blackpowder weaponry, but ultimately it doesn't matter.Just Gretchin, then? Worth knowing.
You'll need to do better than that."Whom Gods Destroy"
As I recall, extremely strong individuals can bash their way through transporters, as stupid as that seems, even better, Orks generate their own low level psychic field, one theorised to be part of how their technology functions.It's going to take shields to be reasonably sure.
Its entirely possible an ork could be bare arse naked and not get beamed ;)
What does it matter ? It doesn't bother the Orks, and they've got the Green to spare.Good, then. About what's the failure rate on them?
Give me some numbers then.As I pointed out, that asteroid is, on close consideration of the episode, actually quite a bit more massive than commonly suggested.
You must be watching something different, because I could have thrown a tennis ball at that Ferenghi worf was shooting at and hit him.Nothing particularly unusual happens miss-wise in Trek. As I said, we should assume no worse accuracy, and possibly higher due to auto-aiming aids.
When a Painboy or mek starts chopping parts off until you tell him how to make the sparklies work, they will break.Maybe I do; maybe I don't.
Fuck, a Weirdboy could probably mindfuck them if motivated correctly.
When I said you should back that up, I didn't mean repeat what you said with more words.In order to feel reasonably confident that an Orkish gun-wagon is invulnerable to hand phasers, you should feel reasonably confident about parking it in front of the U.S.S. Missouri during a test fire. High setting hand phaser attacks range up into the gigajoule range.
Well, firstly, What bloody information ?I need more information than that to estimate how effective they are.
Secondly, are you seriously arguing that guys with hand phasers are going to be able to shoot down supersonic bombers, when they can't effectively shoot someone in combat directly in front of them ?
Dear god, so your argument is that the Orks will crush earth, do their thing, then most will piss off, leaving behind some stragglers and "native" orks who will get defeated by the forces of the federation?Well, here's the thing. Earth is most likely to present relatively low initial resistance. They're not expecting anything like this; from the advances of the first week of combat, Orkz will probably expect to have the whole planet nicely subjugated in a month.
Thats....pretty funny.
Even assuming that you insist that we use lower numbers for the fleet, despite the evidence, the Orkish fleet had "dozens" of Roks "guarding their normally vulnerable tail", indeed they were a key part of the planetary assault.That also tells me the fleet, coming out of warp, will have no Roks.
Approximately 100 Roks were identified later on.
Bloody hell, if the Spacehulks are crashlanded into Earth, then its a distinct possibility that the planet gets...kinda fucked up.So we have 2,000 SD-size "small escorts", 250-400 "multi-kilometer" ships, and the space hulks (which are being crash-landed into Earth per the OP scenario and therefore not engaged in fleet combat). Call the capital ships worth 10 smaller ships each and we have 4,500-6,000 ISD equivalents, no?
Nazdreg managed to crashland his on Medusa, luckily for the Imperium out in the arse end of nowhere, but the Gorkamorka/Angelis hulk laid waste to the planets existing civilisation, and when the Imperium blasted the rear third/engine off Angrons hulk in the first battle for Armageddon, it basically turned a garden world into a living hell IIRC.
The Orks will be fine, but humans probably won't be able to survive without hostile environment suits.
*shrug* Your evidence for such numbers ? I don't mean just episode references either, given you seem to think you can represent your own opinion as "fact".
However, Starfleet's total strength is something like 10,000-20,000 starships, which typically output somewhere around the range of GT/sec in peak sustained firepower. That puts Starfleet's total strength well above that of the fleet.
I'm inclined to agree here.It is good to see that the descent into self parody has turned into a full blown death spiral.