You do realize that you are doing exactly what you claim to be trying to avoid doing?Praeothmin wrote: I hate using only the highest values as a capability instead of the outlier they are because of the VOY example I used, in the case of Warp speeds...
If Federation ships were capable of 14 million c, then VOY's trip home could have been done in 9.67 hours...
Since most Fed ships can use their engines at Max for close to 12 hours, then the trip home would have been a cake walk...
Even if the transit and lack of accurate star charts would have forced VOY ten times slower, then 96 hours would have been necessary to go home...
If a thousand times slower, then 9672 hours, or 403 days would have been necessary...
A far cry from the 70 years they estimated...
Voyager's trip is the big outlier
If the warp core was in such bad shape what else could have been wrong with the ship, just about anything, and no where to make proper repairs and no time to make proper repairs.Voyager Season: 1 Episode: 1 Caretaker wrote: [Engineering]
(Janeway pins her hair back up and enters. Something goes bang.)
COMPUTER: Warning. Warp core microfracture. Breach imminent.
JANEWAY: What's the warp core pressure?
CAREY: Twenty one hundred kilopascals.
JANEWAY: Lock down the magnetic constrictors.
CAREY: If we lock them down at these pressure levels, we might not be able to reinitialise the dilithium reaction.
COMPUTER: Warning. Warp core microfracture. Breach imminent.
JANEWAY: We don't have a choice. We've got to get the reaction rate down before we try to seal it.
From the first episode Voyager was badly damaged with no way to make proper repairs, and to make matters worse, it was never fully supplied or crewed to begin with. Voyager was designed to have an Aeroshuttle, but left port without it. Voyager was outfitted for the proverbial three hour tour.
Using Voyager for anything other then low ends is kind of dishonest. Ships in proper working order should be able to do anything Voyager could do, but better.
Let's look at a ship in proper working order, is fully crewed, and fully supplied.
I'll use 300 years because Laforge was clearly rounding to the nearest hundred, and Laforge is not known for padding his estimates.Star Tre: The Next Generation Season: 1 Episode: 6 Where No man Has Gone Before wrote: PICARD: Position, Mister La Forge.
LAFORGE: Well, sir, according to these calculations, we've not only left our own galaxy, but passed through two others, ending up on the far side of Triangulum. The galaxy known as M Thirty Three.
PICARD: That's not possible. Data, what distance have we travelled?
DATA: Two million seven hundred thousand light years.
PICARD: I can't accept that.
DATA: You must, sir. Our comparisons show it to be completely accurate.
LAFORGE: And I calculate that at maximum warp, sir it would take over three hundred years to get home.
2,700,000/300=9000c average
An early model Galaxy Class is almost ten times faster then Voyager which was seemingly made for speed and agility. You see a problem with using Voyager as the standard, right?
Why does everyone focus on Voyager rather then Star Trek: The Next Generation? Because that would be the honest thing to do.
I believe that fuel was magical extra dimensional life forms who hunted him down, and killed his crew in horrible manners for using them as fuel. It's a bad idea to use it.Praeothmin wrote: I think it's Robert who, on his website (or is it Mike D here?), talks about how Captain Ransom, using only a different fuel type, was able to get his small, Science ship to go up over 250 000c...